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If any of you ever go on Tumblr, you will find that 90% of the users have things like this on their profile. This is all belief that there is more than two genders, belief that you could be an animal born into a humans body and belief you can diagnose yourself with PTSD just for being an "otherkin".

 

I am going to stay neutral on these subjects and neither deny or confirm them, but what happens if these people ever come into office? What if the world is turned into this? My opinion is that there is a higher power putting all of this stuff into effect because there is a higher abundance of: feminization of men, "otherkins", "different gender binaries" among many many other incredibly strange issues that would never ever exist without the aid of the internet.

 

What does everyone think? Do you support all of these (modern-day feminism movements aka "white male privilege", LGBT activists, otherkins, self-diagnosed PTSD) or do you think it's ridiculous? If someone came into presidency that supports all of these ideals, would you move to another country? Do you believe this is where we are heading in our future?

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You lost me after "if you ever go on Tumblr..."

 

No. These are just people seeking attention. They will get over their stupid attention whoring phase just like all teeny boppers do.

 

Very few things irritate me, but people self-diagnosing and seeking sympathy and attention is my #1. I see it all the time at work, and it's infuriating. And then they have the nerve to complain when people DO give them attention by calling them out on their ridiculousness.

 

I am a very open minded person, and enjoy talking philosophy, religion, and science. I have no problem with someone holding a belief that they've been reincarnated from another animal, or a belief that they are possibly autistic or bipolar. But the example of what you posted is just someone crying out for someone to acknowledge their existence. There are better, more productive ways to do that.

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This is what social media and technology causes.  People want to be be internet famous and by doing things to get peoples attention they will be internet famous.  I mean look at all the people crying when Facebook is down for 30 minutes.   Could you imagine what the world would be like if we had to live with the technology that we had 15 years ago, for 2 weeks.  I think it might implode on itself.  

 

There are people who have true problems, or have things that really need to be discussed, but it's often over shadowed by those who don't have real issues yet think they do because their parents are so mean and grounded them for 2 weeks and don't let them use their phone anymore.  So they are held accountable for their actions and then are all of a sudden a PTSD patient.  It's a real smack in the face to the people in the world who have serious issues and need some real help. 

 

I could go on for hours about this stuff, but will end it here as if I continue this conversation I will more than likely offend someone, so I don't really feel like dealing with that right now.   

 

Anyways. . carry on! 

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actually if we got rid of the social media, people might actually interact and we could get some shit done in this country...easy to front a cause when you don't have to "be involved"...like some of these famous people supporting causes they know nothing about because they think it's cool...fucking morons...

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actually if we got rid of the social media, people might actually interact and we could get some shit done in this country...easy to front a cause when you don't have to "be involved"...like some of these famous people supporting causes they know nothing about because they think it's cool...fucking morons...

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They made him famous alright, and did nothing about it besides "Like" a video and shared it with all of their friends who "Liked" it and did nothing about it.  

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I lost it at "self diagnosed cancer". If this shit ever got serious, I would dedicate my life to killing these people. This is just some phase some retards are going through and it will be over eventually. Just sit.back and have a nice chuckle.

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Social media is filled with brainless peons following whomever can talk the smoothest, or whatever will garner them the most attention, regardless of if its positive or negative. It's kind of like what drives a mass shooter just on a less destructive psychopathic scale.

 

Here's a prime example:

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If you can't explain the difference ask me to, or google Samantha Lewthwaite then google Holly Fisher. If at that point and time you still don't understand the difference you should probably be getting tested for brain damage.

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actually if we got rid of the social media, people might actually interact and we could get some shit done in this country...easy to front a cause when you don't have to "be involved"...like some of these famous people supporting causes they know nothing about because they think it's cool...fucking morons...


But if we got rid of social media, none of us would know each other.....and what would our lives be like if we didn't know all of the complete idiots in this community? Well besides the increase in brain cells...

Though their are plenty of instances of social media being used by some of dumbest people on this planet for some of dumbest shit in existence. It does being people together, I hate to say it but without Facebook I probably wouldn't have kept in touch with my small group of actual friends from high school.

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@[member='Dalriaden'] oh I deleted that part of my thing sorry. Look I'm a lazy fuck and I've been spoiled by the simplicity of Facebook, and every other way of contact now, be it texting with them, skype calls, or some video game.

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@[member='Phreaktaco'] social media platforms, for better or worse are here to stay, exactly because as you pointed out their sheer convenience. I think at this point in time though they're a massive indicator of the sheer ignorance and lack of critical thinking abilities by the overwhelming populace.

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@[member='Dalriaden'] I wouldn't really go as far to say that they're a indicator of ignorance and a lack of critical thinking ability, the fact that they were created shows we have great critical thinking.

I mean this is tough...because I see completely were you're coming from and I agree with you for the most part, but I think you're pointing out the extreme of people that use the cites, yes sometimes when using these cites I can't face palm hard enough and I reeeallllyyy just want to give up on life. But once again that's the extreme of stupidity.

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@[member='Phreaktaco'] an extreme would be for it to happen rarely. Facebook, Imgur, Twitter, and reddit all have stupidity happen on a regular basis, hell even our news coverage these days falls back on an emotional argument over using critical thinking abilities.

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@[member='Dalriaden'] dude your not making this easy on me...ugh....jerk...
It could be that because the stupidity is so damn stupid that it's al that we remember and it drowns out the intelligent uses of the cites. Really that's an actual stance, kinda like news coverage, it's not that what's happening in today's society is accruing more often it's because the coverage of what's happening is more thorough.

Also I don't think reddit should be clumped in with everything else, the majority of the subreddits are meant to be the embodiment of our generation and it's stupidity.

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@[member='Phreaktaco'] Well you don't want to get rid of social media but you want to exclude reddit/subreddit(s)? :p

 

Quite frankly I spend a lot of time on facebook/news sites debating(arguing?) various topics. It's far more rare to come across someone with an opposing viewpoint that will argue with facts then it is someone who comes out with an emotional argument so I enjoy and remember the debate where both sides are using facts more.

The average keyboard warrior who argues from a position of emotion usually falls into using an appeal to probability. a confirmation bias, or an appeal to ignorance. The appeal to ignorance probably being the most common or a burden of proof fallacy.

 

For the record, I really enjoy arguing. :x It's a genetic trait though I can't help it.

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Social media is filled with brainless peons following whomever can talk the smoothest, or whatever will garner them the most attention, regardless of if its positive or negative. It's kind of like what drives a mass shooter just on a less destructive psychopathic scale.

 

Here's a prime example:

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If you can't explain the difference ask me to, or google Samantha Lewthwaite then google Holly Fisher. If at that point and time you still don't understand the difference you should probably be getting tested for brain damage.

Of course there is a difference when you know the context of who the people are.

 

But when you just compare the picture side by side... (and in a larger scope, what it represents) there really isn't much difference between fundamentalists. Whether they be christian zealots or muslims declaring holy war. That was the point they were trying to make.

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@[member='Dalriaden'] no sorry, I was trying to say that while what is posted on Facebook, Twitter, and all the other things are stupid, it's kinda unintentionally stupid. But what's posted on Reddit for the most part is stupid for the sake of being stupid, or it's our generation making fun of what's going on throughout the internet or IRL.

And ha! I love arguing just as much as you, and it's fun as hell arguing with you, and for the most part the majority of everyone else in ADK. In an ideal argument there's a perfect blend of facts and emotions, but that's just my opinion. I know all about arguments that are completely based on emotion failing, seeing as how I fell into one a few topics back, I think it was about my generation being lazy fucks and wanting hand outs.

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Of course there is a difference when you know the context of who the people are.

 

But when you just compare the picture side by side... (and in a larger scope, what it represents) there really isn't much difference between fundamentalists. Whether they be christian zealots or muslims declaring holy war. That was the point they were trying to make.

Here's the problem with representing the pictures side by and in a larger scope what they represent is one represents a fundamentalist Islam extremist, and the other was done as a gag based off of twitter requests. Now if you want to put Eric Rudolph up next Her husband it's a valid comparison with comparable context.

 

@[member='Phreaktaco'] Most of whats on facebook and twitter are stupid because its based on an emotional approach with no critical thinking, and I have a serious issue with the stupidity when it comes from people in the limelight.

 

Example:

Penelope Cruz and 99 other spanish actors accuse Israel of genocide against Palestinians.

 

Selena Gomez posted the slogan: IT’S ABOUT HUMANITY. PRAY FOR GAZA.

 

UN officials from the top down are denouncing Israel, but they gloss over the fact that Hamas has had rockets stored in UN run schools and hospital and the UN claims they handed them over to the proper authorities. Those authorities being Palestinian government that are corrupt and controlled by Hamas.

 

Once again this bias against Israel comes not because of an analytical fact and logic based approach but because NBC, Al-Jahzeera, and numerous other media organizations go to a Hamas rep ask how many casualties there have been and then put the most gruesome pictures they can find that will bring about the largest emotional impact.

 

You have UN officials claiming Israel is guilty of war crimes because they haven't shared Iron Dome technology with Palestinians for christ sake.

 

None of these officials point out its Palestinians allowing their schools, their hospitals, their neighborhoods for rocket launch sites, no one points out that it's the Palestinians that allow Hamas to use their kids as suicide bombers and slave labor, and none of them point out it's Israel that supplies them with electricity, food and medical aid, it's Israel that allows religious freedom and protects the religious sites of all religions.

 

Nope easier to get ratings by throwing up a picture of a Palestinian killed by a hamas rocket and tweet #israelisgenocide.

 

The exact same thing is going on over immigration right now.

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@[member='Dalriaden'] I really can't say much on this because my knowledge of foreign policy is practically none. But I can say that that's the problem with peoples arguments and you're correct, the people who are posting on the social media cites don't really do the research that's necessary to make an informed decision they just blindly follow what news stations tell them.

I think we both know that it doesn't matter which side of a fight is in the "right" it's really If you win the media war you will undoubtably win the war. If you can turn the people to your side you will win, plain and simple.

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Alright. I'm going to tinfoil hat this for a bit. Have you noticed the rise of social issues in the media after social media successfully helped youth movements overthrow their countries?

Facebook and twitter have done more for third world countries then our bullets have. The machine that runs our world has taken notice that with a click of a button. Ideas soar and take flight and make changes happen.

How do you counter it? How do you keep the first world youths from rising up and demanding change? You install leaders like Obama and you churn up social issues, abortion, gender equality. You bury them under social issues. You keep it fresh on the social media sites and on the liberal media platforms. This way. Your next generations are too busy championing plainly low ball issues and ignoring the real injustices being committed to them.

While young women scream about their bodies and their right to destroy life and men question their gender and they discuss the ramifications of these social issues. They ignore the freedoms taken. They ignore the moves of governments taking away their power of their lives.

So. OP. You're correct. A higher power is directing it.

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 Your next generations are too busy championing plainly low ball issues and ignoring the real injustices being committed to them.

While young women scream about their bodies and their right to destroy life and men question their gender and they discuss the ramifications of these social issues. They ignore the freedoms taken. They ignore the moves of governments taking away their power of their lives.
 

 

 

Zzadist, I don't always agree with you but what I quoted above is the exact issue that's going on.

 

 

I'm all for peoples rights and don't give a damn what people do with their bodies or who they date.  But everything else is being taken right from under our noses because of this crap and nobody cares!  And that's where critical thinking needs to come in, but people lack that these days and expect the government to take care of them and do everything for them.

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I think we're all overlooking something very important here, people of our age throughout the past several generations have championed issues that their elders though were stupid. I mean, listen to the song "Okie from Muskogee" for God's sakes. You know who Merl's singing about there? Our parents.

 

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people in and around our generation like to think that we've pioneered being the socially active, politically incoherent generation and that it's never been done before, but that's not right. You had the Bohemians, the Post-Modernists, the Socialists, the Hippies and now people like from the original post and my personal archnemesis, the Hipsters.

 

Here's the problem with representing the pictures side by and in a larger scope what they represent is one represents a fundamentalist Islam extremist, and the other was done as a gag based off of twitter requests. Now if you want to put Eric Rudolph up next Her husband it's a valid comparison with comparable context.

 

@[member='Phreaktaco'] Most of whats on facebook and twitter are stupid because its based on an emotional approach with no critical thinking, and I have a serious issue with the stupidity when it comes from people in the limelight.

 

Example:

Penelope Cruz and 99 other spanish actors accuse Israel of genocide against Palestinians.

 

Selena Gomez posted the slogan: IT’S ABOUT HUMANITY. PRAY FOR GAZA.

 

UN officials from the top down are denouncing Israel, but they gloss over the fact that Hamas has had rockets stored in UN run schools and hospital and the UN claims they handed them over to the proper authorities. Those authorities being Palestinian government that are corrupt and controlled by Hamas.

 

Once again this bias against Israel comes not because of an analytical fact and logic based approach but because NBC, Al-Jahzeera, and numerous other media organizations go to a Hamas rep ask how many casualties there have been and then put the most gruesome pictures they can find that will bring about the largest emotional impact.

 

You have UN officials claiming Israel is guilty of war crimes because they haven't shared Iron Dome technology with Palestinians for christ sake.

 

None of these officials point out its Palestinians allowing their schools, their hospitals, their neighborhoods for rocket launch sites, no one points out that it's the Palestinians that allow Hamas to use their kids as suicide bombers and slave labor, and none of them point out it's Israel that supplies them with electricity, food and medical aid, it's Israel that allows religious freedom and protects the religious sites of all religions.

 

Nope easier to get ratings by throwing up a picture of a Palestinian killed by a hamas rocket and tweet #israelisgenocide.

 

The exact same thing is going on over immigration right now.

I also don't know if you can say that the Palestinian people are "letting" Hamas do this, as Hamas is in control of what we call Palestine. It's not like the average Palestinian person has the access to weapons that an Israeli or an American would, or even that it would make sense for a schoolteacher to take up arms against Hamas to keep them out of their schools. And, to nip this argument in the bud, I am Pro-Israel as I say this.

 

As to your point about immigration it's because it's become obvious that as it stands right now, our government won't do anything about the problem. Building a fence won't work unless we plan on pulling a Berlin Wall (which would just be ridiculous) and it seems like we as a people have forgotten that the only "Americans" that were born here are the ones we pidgeon-holed into reservations on the periphery of our society. I mean, our President has the last name Obama, our SotH Boehner and we had a Jewish fellow as the House Majority Leader. How do we fucking forget that we're all immigrants if you go back far enough? When cartels in Mexico have tanks and access to the military's communication systems, can we blame people for wanting to flee? I mean, we watched Detroit go through one of the largest declines in civil population in a non-disaster sense in our country's history and that was a drop in the bucket compared to the situations going on in Mexico.

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I also don't know if you can say that the Palestinian people are "letting" Hamas do this, as Hamas is in control of what we call Palestine. It's not like the average Palestinian person has the access to weapons that an Israeli or an American would, or even that it would make sense for a schoolteacher to take up arms against Hamas to keep them out of their schools. And, to nip this argument in the bud, I am Pro-Israel as I say this.

 

 

Maybe you live in a different world then I do. Maybe that world has a different middle east where ak-47s aren't in every household in Iraq, where there is a war raging in Libya, Syria, and Israel/Gaza. Maybe there hamas vastly outnumbers Palestinians. Arms are extremely prevalent in the middle east, and you say it may not make sense for a school teacher to take up arms against hamas to keep them out of their schools? So whose job is it? The UN's? Ok guess its time for all our troops leaving Afghanistan to occupy Gaza, because the UN can't do anything without the US military and US funding. Israels? No, they just want peace. I guess Paul Revere should have sat in his house, and the founding fathers should have continued their day jobs during the revolutionary war, after all they weren't soldiers and it didn't make sense for them to fight the greatest military power the world had seen at that point. I just guess when someone takes your kid to use as slave labor to dig tunnels until your child dies of exhaustion/starvation, or to strap a suicide vest on and use a remote control to detonate when they're in a large population center its just not YOUR job as the child's parent to fight Hamas, because they're terrorists and you're just you.

The average Palestinian doesn't have to get a background check for a weapon, so odds are it is way easier to get armed then it is for an American. he has cousin Ali-baba send it to him from Syria where he's fighting for and against ISIS or some other random AL-qaeda fringe group.

 

Thank you though for proving the point I have said numerous times in different discussions where NO ONE wants to hold PALESTINIANS responsible for PALESTINE. The era of personal responsibility is dead.

 

Or let us say Israel decides to invade Gaza, so now the school teacher doesn't have to fight Hamas, now the Palestinians can be free of the people who use them as human shields, brain wash their children, use them as suicide bombers and slave labor. Obviously they're going to report every known Hamas members location right? Obviously they're going to tell Israel when the see rockets? After all Israel already offered them 92-7% of the west bank and all of Gaza for a peace treaty and recognizing the right of Israel to exist in 2000 so they should be able to get a similar deal again. If Hamas isn't around.

 

nope they're going to sit in their house doing jack sh-t saying insha'allah blaming everything on the Jews even though something like 78% of Palestinians want to work in Israel.

 

 

 

 

Building a fence won't work unless we plan on pulling a Berlin Wall (which would just be ridiculous) and it seems like we as a people have forgotten that the only "Americans" that were born here are the ones we pidgeon-holed into reservations on the periphery of our society. I mean, our President has the last name Obama, our SotH Boehner and we had a Jewish fellow as the House Majority Leader. How do we fucking forget that we're all immigrants if you go back far enough?

And this isn't 1821 and having open boarders and taking all comers is an incredibly naive unrealistic approach. NOT TO MENTION ILLEGAL. I sympathize with most of the immigrants, and immigration needs to be reformed but this sudden implosion is unsafe for a whole host of reasons. Disease, Criminals, Cartel members, A whole slew of people from the middle east just walking in. Or maybe you don't watch the news and really do think it's just Mexicans coming through the border?

 

Detroit went through a decline because liberal policies for 50+ years destroyed the city, literally.

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Maybe you live in a different world then I do. Maybe that world has a different middle east where ak-47s aren't in every household in Iraq, where there is a war raging in Libya, Syria, and Israel/Gaza. Maybe there hamas vastly outnumbers Palestinians. Arms are extremely prevalent in the middle east, and you say it may not make sense for a school teacher to take up arms against hamas to keep them out of their schools? So whose job is it? The UN's? Ok guess its time for all our troops leaving Afghanistan to occupy Gaza, because the UN can't do anything without the US military and US funding. Israels? No, they just want peace. I guess Paul Revere should have sat in his house, and the founding fathers should have continued their day jobs during the revolutionary war, after all they weren't soldiers and it didn't make sense for them to fight the greatest military power the world had seen at that point. I just guess when someone takes your kid to use as slave labor to dig tunnels until your child dies of exhaustion/starvation, or to strap a suicide vest on and use a remote control to detonate when they're in a large population center its just not YOUR job as the child's parent to fight Hamas, because they're terrorists and you're just you.

The average Palestinian doesn't have to get a background check for a weapon, so odds are it is way easier to get armed then it is for an American. he has cousin Ali-baba send it to him from Syria where he's fighting for and against ISIS or some other random AL-qaeda fringe group.

 

Thank you though for proving the point I have said numerous times in different discussions where NO ONE wants to hold PALESTINIANS responsible for PALESTINE. The era of personal responsibility is dead.

 

Or let us say Israel decides to invade Gaza, so now the school teacher doesn't have to fight Hamas, now the Palestinians can be free of the people who use them as human shields, brain wash their children, use them as suicide bombers and slave labor. Obviously they're going to report every known Hamas members location right? Obviously they're going to tell Israel when the see rockets? After all Israel already offered them 92-7% of the west bank and all of Gaza for a peace treaty and recognizing the right of Israel to exist in 2000 so they should be able to get a similar deal again. If Hamas isn't around.

 

nope they're going to sit in their house doing jack sh-t saying insha'allah blaming everything on the Jews even though something like 78% of Palestinians want to work in Israel.

 

 

 

And this isn't 1821 and having open boarders and taking all comers is an incredibly naive unrealistic approach. NOT TO MENTION ILLEGAL. I sympathize with most of the immigrants, and immigration needs to be reformed but this sudden implosion is unsafe for a whole host of reasons. Disease, Criminals, Cartel members, A whole slew of people from the middle east just walking in. Or maybe you don't watch the news and really do think it's just Mexicans coming through the border?

 

Detroit went through a decline because liberal policies for 50+ years destroyed the city, literally.

I've read this, I'm not really gonna respond because I think there's some bigotry inherit in some of the points you're asserting here. I will respond to your Paul Revere comment by saying it wouldn't really have mattered too much if he had stayed at home or not, he didn't ride alone...or hardly at all.

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I've read this, I'm not really gonna respond because I think there's some bigotry inherit in some of the points you're asserting here. I will respond to your Paul Revere comment by saying it wouldn't really have mattered too much if he had stayed at home or not, he didn't ride alone...or hardly at all.

If that's the case then I more then welcome a response. Instead of addressing any salient points you fall back on a position of bigotry? Ok.

 

And in the case of Paul Revere I guess you completely missed the point as well.

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If that's the case then I more then welcome a response. Instead of addressing any salient points you fall back on a position of bigotry? Ok.

 

And in the case of Paul Revere I guess you completely missed the point as well.

I believe it is you who has missed the point by continuing to adhere to (false, I'd add) the assertions that "every home in the Middle East has an AK" and that Paul Revere was anything more than an "was also there" participant in the Midnight Ride. There's the old adage that history is written by the victors, but that doesn't mean it's how it actually occurred.

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I believe it is you who has missed the point by continuing to adhere to (false, I'd add) the assertions that "every home in the Middle East has an AK" and that Paul Revere was anything more than an "was also there" participant in the Midnight Ride. There's the old adage that history is written by the victors, but that doesn't mean it's how it actually occurred.

Someone needs a reading comprehension and geography lesson.

 

Maybe that world has a different middle east where ak-47s aren't in every household in Iraq,

Ok, every household maybe not? The vast majority of them yes? How do I know this? From clearing houses in Tikrit, Ad dawr, and all over the salahadin, province. From friends in Tel'Afar, Fallujah, and many different regions of the COUNTRY I STATED BY NAME. It was even U.S. Military policy to allow them to keep them.

 

Now if I said Iraqis are goat fuckers, that would potentially make me a bigot, but guess what? That's well documented as fact as well, it's not however something I'd say because I met many really awesome people over there, played soccer with many children that I pray on a daily basis are alive, safe, and doing well as we impotently sit around and allow ISIS to continue grow.

 

 

In a significant retreat in American efforts to seize weapons held by Iraqi citizens, American and British officials said today that Iraqis would be allowed to keep AK-47 assault rifles in their homes and businesses.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/world/after-the-war-baghdad-iraqi-civilians-allowed-to-keep-assault-rifles.html

 

 

Saadoun al-Sahil already had an AK47 assault rifle at home but just didn't feel safe. The furniture merchant was worried about violence in Baghdad and the impending U.S. withdrawal of troops. So he bought two pistols and some more ammunition.

Iraqis are facing a changing and uncertain future, and they're dealing with it by arming up.

"These weapons are for the protection of myself and my family. I fear that things will get as worse as it was in 2005 and 2006. We cannot predict what will happen tomorrow or after tomorrow," said al-Sahil.

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110614/NEWS/106140306/Facing-uncertainty-Iraqis-stockpiling-weapons

 

You lost this argument then moment you decided to throw out an ad hominem implying I was a bigot, along with making sweeping generalizations and bring an opinion with no factual basis to the table.

 

Included this map as further evidence that Iraq is not the middle east since it seems to be needed.

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Oh and just for the lols to show what a waste of time the UN is:

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Someone needs a reading comprehension and geography lesson.

Ok, every household maybe not? The vast majority of them yes? How do I know this? From clearing houses in Tikrit, Ad dawr, and all over the salahadin, province. From friends in Tel'Afar, Fallujah, and many different regions of the COUNTRY I STATED BY NAME. It was even U.S. Military policy to allow them to keep them.

 

Now if I said Iraqis are goat fuckers, that would potentially make me a bigot, but guess what? That's well documented as fact as well, it's not however something I'd say because I met many really awesome people over there, played soccer with many children that I pray on a daily basis are alive, safe, and doing well as we impotently sit around and allow ISIS to continue grow.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/world/after-the-war-baghdad-iraqi-civilians-allowed-to-keep-assault-rifles.html

 

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110614/NEWS/106140306/Facing-uncertainty-Iraqis-stockpiling-weapons

 

You lost this argument then moment you decided to throw out an ad hominem implying I was a bigot, along with making sweeping generalizations and bring an opinion with no factual basis to the table.

 

Included this map as further evidence that Iraq is not the middle east since it seems to be needed.

map_of_middle-east.jpg

 

Oh and just for the lols to show what a waste of time the UN is:

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I won't pretend to have frontlines experience, because I'm not nor was a soldier. But let me ask you this, since I'm assuming that by attacking me for using an ad hominem attack you're not falling back on a logical fallacy yourself, how often does the military get called to clear out the houses of someone who has no intelligence indicating they would need to be cleared out?

 

I ask this because I do come from a family of law enforcement officers and you've said something akin to, "I've never pulled over a speeder who was going under the limit."

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And, since I was baited in responding, I'm really done this time. Respond how/if you wish, I won't be doing so any further. Declare yourself the "winner" of this argument if you wish, I care not.

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I won't pretend to have frontlines experience, because I'm not nor was a soldier. But let me ask you this, since I'm assuming that by attacking me for using  how often does the military get called to clear out the houses of someone who has no intelligence indicating they would need to be cleared out?

 

I ask this because I do come from a family of law enforcement officers and you've said something akin to, "I've never pulled over a speeder who was going under the limit."

Well Iraq wasn't the states. When I say house clearing in Ad Dawr I mean we set up cordons around the entire town, and a battalion went through and cleared every house looking for rpgs and IED making material. Is it good for winning hearts and minds, or fair to those not doing anything illegal? Absolutely not, but when you're getting hit by multiple IEDS every day it gets a point across. Same with Tikrit in multiple neighborhoods although never the entire city itself (thank god, it was pretty large.)

 

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