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[quote name='Bromance' timestamp='1355380255' post='59557']
Over clocking a lot of the medium to high end CPU's with (I5-I7) along with the GPU you seem to be leaning towards wouldn't do you any good gaming wise. yes, you might get another 10FPS, but you will lose that 10FPS when in a high action area with spike loss anyways.

Keep your system (depending on what else you do) with in it's self.. Running a I7 extreme top end with a 650Ti is a complete waste of the cash on a I7 for example.

A lot of experts around and mostly with a different point of view. Most peeps should be able to figure our who maybe more their style of "expert".

War and I have (older guys) have built and configured PC's from ultra budget to ultra expensive and a lot in between, showing the technology that gets hyped by the manufactures doesn't always pan out. Just as every other player is a noob, there are 1,000's of misconceptions out there, ask questions you know the answer too to see if someone is educated or just rolling with the hype.

The meaning of Ping and FPS are HUGE misconceptions the average person thinks they know but in reality have no clue on the real use/tool. Any monkey can assemble a PC but the components must compliment each other for max performance, some one suggest you buy a $30-50 case, run for the hills man!!!!
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I believe my 4 year old GPU (9800gtx+) either took a dump or isn't getting enough power from my 4 year old piece of **** coolermaster 550w PSU. I start up my PC, then right when the Windows 7 loading screen pops up I get 8 white lines at the top left of my screen right next to each other (which has been normal for about 2 years now, I never looked up how to fix the problem because it didn't cause any problems, it would still load to the login screen without the actual Windows 7 logo showing up before hand), but now it will load to the login screen, but instead it stays in the loading screen with the 8 white lines at the top left, then slowly little bits of colored lines flashing different colors start to add up at the top of the screen just multiplying 1 at a time real slowly. I can tell it loaded the login screen because my USB keyboard lights up after the system loads up, it just gets stuck on the loading screen instead of converting to the login screen while building up those color pixels.

Anyone have this problem before? I'll just throw down my PSU's rails to see if you can properly add up the numbers, I don't know how the method works.

This is from top to bottom, left to right as it shows on the PSU
AC Input: 110v-115v/220v-225v 8A/6.3A 60/50Hz

DC Output:+3.3v / +5v / +12v1/ +12v2 / -5v / -12v / +5VSB /
Max Out: 25A / 25A / 16A / 16A / 0.8A / 0.8A / 2.5A /


On another note: my Q9400 CPU is just slightly below par with the i3 2100 CPU. My PC just needed a new GPU but now I might need a new PSU. Edited by Stancide

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355383836' post='59560']
On another note: my Q9400 CPU is just slightly below par with the i3 2100 CPU. My PC just needed a new GPU but now I might need a new PSU.
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[color=#ffa500][size=4][font=comic sans ms', cursive]A good thing about getting a quality PSU is that it will last and you can migrate it from rig to rig as you upgrade. They are probably the only "investment grade" PC component there is (a really good case might be another). Once you get a good one, its ATX specification ensures that you will be able to use it until it breaks, you outgrow its capacity, or ATX is no longer a mainstream spec (no end in sight to ATX as far as I know). Get the longest warrant you can.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=#ffa500][size=4][font=comic sans ms', cursive]war[/font][/size][/color] Edited by =ADK= warspite

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4 to five years is a long time, granted should last longer I agree.

If you are on a small budget (not wanting to upgrade/rebuild) I would suggest a GPU and PSU upgrade. My kid runs a PC with simuler specs as yours (better GPU) and plays fine in the new games. BO2, BF3 etc. He has a 6850 or 7950 (can't remember which one in his). The older core 2 quads are fine for gaming still, slow in some other areas with newer software/updates, but still capable for at least a year.

NEVER EVER get a:
cheap mobo or open box mobo
Get a cheap PSU for a gaming or higher end PC (as stated, cheap for small budget)
Plan an upgrade when I build, if you do your wasting money. Do it right the first time even if you have to wait and you will be happiest with a better product. Once you compromise your quality goes down.

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As the old men said,

All parts of a PC compliment each other. No sense in buying a wicked GPU, with a slower CPU, and it goes both ways.

For power supplies, it's hard to beat corsair or Seasonic, and on the new i series corsairs, they have a 7 year warranty. It's this way for a reason....

Why do I overclock? Because I can, it's fun, and it's a hobby of mine. It's also part of personalizing my components to me.

Open box is an on going argument, it all matters in the manufacturer..some are OK with warranties on open box, some are NOT.

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[quote name='Bromance' timestamp='1355432195' post='59634']
4 to five years is a long time, granted should last longer I agree.

If you are on a small budget (not wanting to upgrade/rebuild) I would suggest a GPU and PSU upgrade. My kid runs a PC with simuler specs as yours (better GPU) and plays fine in the new games. BO2, BF3 etc. He has a 6850 or 7950 (can't remember which one in his). The older core 2 quads are fine for gaming still, slow in some other areas with newer software/updates, but still capable for at least a year.

NEVER EVER get a:
cheap mobo or open box mobo
Get a cheap PSU for a gaming or higher end PC (as stated, cheap for small budget)
Plan an upgrade when I build, if you do your wasting money. Do it right the first time even if you have to wait and you will be happiest with a better product. Once you compromise your quality goes down.
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I've decided to throw in the towel for my pc.....

Here's what I've got, correct me if combinations are wrong:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sm1Z

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Personal preference I would go with the[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-p8h77mpro"] Asus[/url] mobo and at least a 750 watt PSU which you can get for just a few dollars more. Awesome cooler, I run one my self, but you need to make sure your case still has good air flow as it draws air sideways and not down which helps provide airflow for the memory sticks and voltage regulators (generally on the aft end of the CPU socket).

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355436946' post='59646']
I've decided to throw in the towel for my pc.....

Here's what I've got, correct me if combinations are wrong:

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sm1Z"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sm1Z[/url]
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Since you dont plan on Overclocking dont worry with the big heatsink/cpu cooler. Use the intel supplied fan that comes with it you won't have an issue with cooling on a stock clocked cpu. Use that $50 towards something else.

And I agree with Bromance on the ASUS Mobo but that is personal preference for me. Edited by Konvict1982

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I decided to go with this build instead after debating on the i5 2400 vs i3 3220 price and performance wise. They both out perform my Core 2 Quad Q9400. I didn't see the point in buying the i5 costing $100 more than the i3, which allowed room for other improvements.

Can I get any more bang for the buck than this build...I mean seriously check this out:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sr9o

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355476134' post='59743']
I've never had a modular on my psu, is it any more handy or just personal preference?
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Modular PSU's allow for a cleaner look since you are able to remove unused cables that would normally cause clutter. The build looks good IMO and good idea reusing the heatsink you already have.

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I just realized you went with the i3 rather than i5. The i3 and q9400 are very close in overall performance with the q9400 having a slight edge in basic computing and everyday processing and the i3 having a slight edge in gaming. The overall performance upgrade would be an i5 showing a performance gain all over the board and a much better gaming gain than the i3.

That is what I get speed reading lol. Both the i3 and the i5 will give you a gain in gaming but yeah the i5 is the best bang for the buck. Sure getting the i3 will save you some money now but you will be wanting to upgrade it again to an i5 by this time next year. If you can manage it I would recommend the i5. Edited by Konvict1982

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[quote name='Konvict1982' timestamp='1355502278' post='59762']
I just realized you went with the i3 rather than i5. The i3 and q9400 are very close in overall performance with the q9400 having a slight edge in basic computing and everyday processing and the i3 having a slight edge in gaming. The overall performance upgrade would be an i5 showing a performance gain all over the board and a much better gaming gain than the i3.

That is what I get speed reading lol. Both the i3 and the i5 will give you a gain in gaming but yeah the i5 is the best bang for the buck. Sure getting the i3 will save you some money now but you will be wanting to upgrade it again to an i5 by this time next year. If you can manage it I would recommend the i5.
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What really confused me is how my 4-5 years old Core 2 duo Q9400 2.66ghz costs just as much as the newer i5.

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I'm going with the Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 Ghz Edition. But I'm still confused on the PSU. Here's what I think will be fine:

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/swHX"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/swHX[/url]

I need a real firm opinion on which PSU would be just fine with no problems that can run the build just fine that isn't over $70-$80

The Seasonic PSU is highly rated on every review

I'm having trouble finding a nice motherboard that will meet these requirements and costs less than the current Asus on the list:

I will be using one GPU pcie 3.0 x16

I will be using 8g ram

I will be getting the i5 3570k or i5 2400

Needs to be usb 3.0 compatible front end and with my case. Edited by Stancide

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355535403' post='59816']
I'm going with the Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 Ghz Edition. But I'm still confused on the PSU. Here's what I think will be fine:

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/swHX"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/swHX[/url]

I need a real firm opinion on which PSU would be just fine with no problems that can run the build just fine that isn't over $70-$80

The Seasonic PSU is highly rated on every review

I'm having trouble finding a nice motherboard that will meet these requirements and costs less than the current Asus on the list:

I will be using one GPU pcie 3.0 x16

I will be using 8g ram

I will be getting the i5 3570k or i5 2400

Needs to be usb 3.0 compatible front end and with my case.
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First, let me say you are on the right track. You didn't run out and buy the first list you made. I personally spent 2 months go over my build changing pieces every other day until I was happy. You are taking your time and making sure you have it right.

Now, if you aren't going to overclock don't bother getting the 3570k. For the Seasonic PSU I am not personally familiar with it but all reviews I looked up for it say it is a solid PSU that is in the same class as corsair so it is likely a good buy. A 550 watt will do fine for a single GPU so I would say you are progressing nicely towards your goal.

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Yeah thanks, it will be my second build, so I'm learning from my first mistakes along with having to learn about the newer GPUs PSUs CPUs and Mobos. I'm not a hardware/software computer wiz, I learned most every thing through personal experience and educating myself.

I want to learn how to overclock properly using the right cooling method and bios configurations. I just don't want to blow things out of proportion the first time around. Going with the safer route is what I've learned because learning the unknown costs a lot more money if the experiment goes wrong.

With this build it'll be my first time venturing into the Radeon GPUs, people who give me advice usually tend to lean on Nvidia saying its far more reliable.
I chose the HD 7870 because of the price and benchmark compared to GPUs in the same price range.
Gigabyte and Asus tend to be the leading brand for motherboards, but I'm looking for a cheap mobo with comparable performance, one brand that pops up every where is the ASRock motherboards but I just don't know yet...its really hard to piece every thing together considering I'm trying to make the best build possible to run any game at max graphics settings on an LCD 42'' 1080p

Basically I just don't want to pay extra for what I don't need, but I don't want to hit myself in the face for not enough room to make a few adjustments if I need to.

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355436946' post='59646']
I've decided to throw in the towel for my pc.....

Here's what I've got, correct me if combinations are wrong:

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sm1Z"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sm1Z[/url]
[/quote]

3570K can be had for cheaper; micro center has it for 160 IIRC

I personally don't like the idea of a heavy processor, with a lower end card. (flame suit on!)

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355475787' post='59742']
I decided to go with this build instead after debating on the i5 2400 vs i3 3220 price and performance wise. They both out perform my Core 2 Quad Q9400. I didn't see the point in buying the i5 costing $100 more than the i3, which allowed room for other improvements.

Can I get any more bang for the buck than this build...I mean seriously check this out:

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sr9o"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sr9o[/url]
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Better so, but I disagree with withe 750 watt PSU. Yes, it will last forever, yes it's a good buy. I still don't see you pushing past needing a 550.

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355535403' post='59816']
I'm going with the Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 Ghz Edition. But I'm still confused on the PSU. Here's what I think will be fine:

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/swHX"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/swHX[/url]

I need a real firm opinion on which PSU would be just fine with no problems that can run the build just fine that isn't over $70-$80

The Seasonic PSU is highly rated on every review

I'm having trouble finding a nice motherboard that will meet these requirements and costs less than the current Asus on the list:

I will be using one GPU pcie 3.0 x16

I will be using 8g ram

I will be getting the i5 3570k or i5 2400

Needs to be usb 3.0 compatible front end and with my case.
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Wow wow wow, we went from a few hundred, to 700!

Now the next issue? The -V power phasing isn't very good if you plan to over clock.

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355544901' post='59845']
Yeah thanks, it will be my second build, so I'm learning from my first mistakes along with having to learn about the newer GPUs PSUs CPUs and Mobos. I'm not a hardware/software computer wiz, I learned most every thing through personal experience and educating myself.

I want to learn how to overclock properly using the right cooling method and bios configurations. I just don't want to blow things out of proportion the first time around. Going with the safer route is what I've learned because learning the unknown costs a lot more money if the experiment goes wrong.

With this build it'll be my first time venturing into the Radeon GPUs, people who give me advice usually tend to lean on Nvidia saying its far more reliable.
I chose the HD 7870 because of the price and benchmark compared to GPUs in the same price range.
Gigabyte and Asus tend to be the leading brand for motherboards, but I'm looking for a cheap mobo with comparable performance, one brand that pops up every where is the ASRock motherboards but I just don't know yet...its really hard to piece every thing together considering I'm trying to make the best build possible to run any game at max graphics settings on an LCD 42'' 1080p

Basically I just don't want to pay extra for what I don't need, but I don't want to hit myself in the face for not enough room to make a few adjustments if I need to.
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sydY

I dislike ATI/AMD cards after my last venture.

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I want the Z77 chipset incase I decide to overclock I just have the room if necessary. I think the PSU will be fine while I just let every thing sit stock. My plan is to keep this build until I have to overclock to keep it up and all I'll have to replace in the long run is just my PSU which will be way cheaper than buying a new GPU or CPU to keep up. Edited by Stancide

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Okay, here we are, I believe this is the final build examination

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9


[quote name='s0ck37' timestamp='1355545732' post='59851']
[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sydY"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sydY[/url]

I dislike ATI/AMD cards after my last venture.
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See my brother told me the same exact thing! I'm sweatin on the GPU now, but I'm sucked into the benchmark score it has compared to Nvidia's more expensive less performance GPU's....my heads going to explode.

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355547939' post='59853']
Okay, here we are, I believe this is the final build examination

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9[/url]




See my brother told me the same exact thing! I'm sweatin on the GPU now, but I'm sucked into the benchmark score it has compared to Nvidia's more expensive less performance GPU's....my heads going to explode.
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Benchmarks =/ real life

Because a card can bench mark well, doesn't mean it is utilised well in game. The Nvidia drivers are just one step ahead, they were 2-3 steps ahead until CCC 12.9, and it was amazing to see what those drivers did to fix years of issues that ATI/AMD had.

The 7970GHZ is a damn good card, and you won't be disappointed with it based on what you have now. But the support is the issue you don't see; cvrappy drivers, terrible utilization etc. Nvidia has a new driver hit it seems like every other week or so (I like my beta drivers...!) and reverting is very easy.

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355547939' post='59853']
Okay, here we are, I believe this is the final build examination

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9[/url]




See my brother told me the same exact thing! I'm sweatin on the GPU now, but I'm sucked into the benchmark score it has compared to Nvidia's more expensive less performance GPU's....my heads going to explode.
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The pro 3 is not a good motherboard. Get the Extreme 4, or pro 4 over the pro 3, or don't bother with ASrock.

I still am not a fan of your locked multi i5. The ivy bridge has quicker/better processing capability at the same clock speed, and is $7 LESS. At this point, just eat the $20 and go 3570K. You have nothing to lose; don't over clock? So what, it's a damn good processor and will hold value over a locked chip. You're going Z77, so no sense in not buying an unlocked chip. Don't tell me, "well, down the road maybe get a 3570K" Then you're wasting more than the $20 to get it now; used sales on processors, especially a fixed multi is going to hose you.

The Seasonic power supply is badass, good choice on it, but you're "over spending" if you want my take. I wouldn't tell you no on it, but in my build, the corsair 500watt is 40 DOLLARS; 40 BUCKS CHEEAAAAAPPPP!! haha lol. 40 bucks, and expect 10 years out of it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sAWL

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I just built my system....

Excuse me while I puke....don't let my GF see this, thankfully, I am having a ring made as we speak....

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sB0z

Doesn't include my slave drive, though.

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[quote name='Stancide' timestamp='1355547939' post='59853']
Okay, here we are, I believe this is the final build examination

[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syl9[/url]




See my brother told me the same exact thing! I'm sweatin on the GPU now, but I'm sucked into the benchmark score it has compared to Nvidia's more expensive less performance GPU's....my heads going to explode.
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If you plan ok overclocking the i5-2400 will not work. You need an i5 with the k on the end which means it is not locked in and can be overclocked such as the 2500k or the 3570k.

I am also not a fan of ASRock but that is personal preference. As for everything else it looks good.

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