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What do you guys think

COOLER MASTER HAF 922
Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-750-M 750W
AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz
ASUS M4N98TD
LITE-ON Black 12X BD-ROM
Western Digital AV-GP WD10EURX 1TB
Western Digital AV-GP WD5000AUDX 500GB
2x G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB
EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1572-AR GeForce GTX 570

for a entry level gaming pc

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Probably one of the most underrated items is the PSU. It's not considered "sexy" like CPUs or GPUs, but they are pretty damn important. To that end, I recommend this one:

[url="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1583410&SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA&cm_mmc_o=mH4CjC7BBTkwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=CPqu9cyCtbICFeUWMgodXwgA8w"]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1583410&SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA&cm_mmc_o=mH4CjC7BBTkwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=CPqu9cyCtbICFeUWMgodXwgA8w[/url]

If it ever fries, as long as you register it, they'll replace it.

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[quote name='stvnsng' timestamp='1347624178' post='45809']
Probably one of the most underrated items is the PSU. It's not considered "sexy" like CPUs or GPUs, but they are pretty damn important. To that end, I recommend this one:

[url="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1583410&SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA&cm_mmc_o=mH4CjC7BBTkwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=CPqu9cyCtbICFeUWMgodXwgA8w"]http://www.tigerdire...CFeUWMgodXwgA8w[/url]

If it ever fries, as long as you register it, they'll replace it.
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Nice PSU. I personally went with the Corsair Enthusiast 750 on my build back in February and it has held up perfectly so far.

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[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500][size=4]I would consider the AMD FX-4170 Zambezi (4.2GHz stock) over the FX-6100 (3.3GHz stock). While the 4170 has two fewer cores (4 versus 6), today's games use four cores at most and the 4170 is much stronger core for core and it should give you more bang for the buck in gaming as well as in everyday tasks.[/size][/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500][size=4]I would only consider the 6100 if I were going to do a significant amount multicore tasking such as video rendering.[/size][/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=4][color=#FFA500]Here's a little more on the [/color][url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009&Tpk=FX-4170"][color=#FFA500]4170[/color][/url][color=#FFA500]. Since this is a 125W TDP CPU (vice the 6100's 95W TDP), I would go with a solid aftermarket cooling solution. A good Heatsink/Fan on your CPU should work out great in your HAF case.[/color][/size][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500][size=4]Hope this helps,[/size][/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500][size=4]war[/size][/color][/font] Edited by =ADK= warspite

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[quote name='=ADK= warspite' timestamp='1347631394' post='45812']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500]I would consider the AMD FX-4170 Zambezi (4.2GHz stock) over the FX-6100 (3.3GHz stock). While the 4170 has two fewer cores (4 versus 6), today's games use four cores at most and the 4170 is much stronger core for core and it should give you more bang for the buck in gaming as well as in everyday tasks.[/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500]I would only consider the 6100 if I were going to do a significant amount multicore tasking such as video rendering.[/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500]Here's a little more on the [/color][url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009&Tpk=FX-4170"][color=#FFA500]4170[/color][/url][color=#FFA500]. Since this is a 125W TDP CPU (vice the 6100's 95W TDP), I would go with a solid aftermarket cooling solution. A good Heatsink/Fan on your CPU should work out great in your HAF case.[/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500]Hope this helps,[/color][/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FFA500]war[/color][/font]
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Agreed. Games nowadays are pretty much GPU-heavy, and don't require too much in the way of CPU power. If you don't need the CPU power, go with the cheaper one.

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750w PSU with that system is pretty overkill.. could probably cut that down to a 550w or even a bit less and be more than ok and save a fair chunk of change. I run a system very similar to that one on a 430w corsair psu with room to spare.

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[quote name='RoccoMac' timestamp='1350471597' post='50128']
750w PSU with that system is pretty overkill.. could probably cut that down to a 550w or even a bit less and be more than ok and save a fair chunk of change. I run a system very similar to that one on a 430w corsair psu with room to spare.
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[color=#ffa500][size=4][font='comic sans ms', cursive]Agreed. As long as you don't intend to run SLI/CrossfireX, a solid 550W PSU will work very well for you.[/font][/size][/color]

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[quote name='=ADK= warspite' timestamp='1350481291' post='50135']
[color=#ffa500][font=comic sans ms', cursive]Agreed. As long as you don't intend to run SLI/CrossfireX, a solid 550W PSU will work very well for you.[/font][/color]
[/quote][quote name='RoccoMac' timestamp='1350471597' post='50128']
750w PSU with that system is pretty overkill.. could probably cut that down to a 550w or even a bit less and be more than ok and save a fair chunk of change. I run a system very similar to that one on a 430w corsair psu with room to spare.
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It depends on your future plans as said. Always think ahead. For example my buddy Sterndiamond wanted to get his PC together as fast as possible so he bought a prebuilt pc from bestbuy, a 430 PSU, and a 560Ti. Now he wants better graphics and would love to run 2 560Ti but would have to upgrade his PSU and motherboard to do so.

My mindset going into my build was to future proof as much as possible while keeping to my budget of $2k. The main things you want to look at when doing this are items you don't want to have to change as often. A few questions to keep in mind;

-Can the motherboard support the next generation of CPUs? When choosing my motherboard I knew intel was working on the ivy bridge CPUs but I also knew they were 3 months or more from release so I made sure that my Motherboard would handle both the current sandy bridge as well as the upcoming ivy bridge.
-Can the motherboard handle everything I may want to add? I made sure my motherboard could handle every upgrade i may want to add over the next 5 years such as slots for crossfire/SLi, sound cards, USB 3.0, etc.
-Can the PSU handle everything you may want to add over the course of the systems life? GPUs, Crossfire/SLi, Sound cards, lights, fans, etc.

You can add on to a system as you go if you ask questions like these when you first build the system. Edited by Konvict1982

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great post knovict,

I look at it as I build new every 2 years and pass to my kids. At this time it works well as CPU and Mobo side are far advanced over MOST (90%) of the software. But keep in mind also an expensive do it all mobo may have to many options than required for a build. Sometimes they actually perform worse (reviews and testimonials are key). With my research when I did my build the Asus pro performed and reviewed better than the deluxe and then saved a few dollars

I also would argue that a case is hugely underestimated and generally along with the PSU are the first on the budget to get cut to something undersized. You can find awesome cases for inexpensive price, but research and knowing what you want is huge!

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Another note... people tend to get stuck on assuming they can find the best deals on hardware online. That's not always the case. If you live near a Microcenter, nobody has better prices on CPU's than they do but you almost always have to buy in-store to get the best prices. You can also find some amazing deal on older cases at MC. Shop around... you never know what kind of deals you can find if you dig around a bit and don't count out the brick and mortar stores. Every once in a million they come through with a clutch low price.

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I can't step into Micro.... $1000 last week!!!! That store is awesome though, they will match Newegg if they are not already cheaper. Matter of fact bought the wife a new GPU and a cheaper model came with Assassin's creed 3, so I told sales guy I wouldn't buy the GPU unless I got 2 games. He did it!!! cause i got the higher priced model. Think the deal was with a 660? and I got a 670 FTW Evga. but he did tell me Evga doesn't have lifetime warranty (sell me their warranty crap) which is BS.

Amazing store though, amazing.

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Motherboard
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D2932738%2526CatId%3D7244"]GIGABYTE GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970/SB950 AM3+[/url] $65
CPU
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D1239961%2526Sku%3DA79-6100"]AMD FX-6100[/url] $105
RAM
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D6753736%2526CatId%3D10"]Crucial 4GB (DDR3 1333 Mhz)[/url] $23
Video Card
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D41125%2526CatId%3D3669"]EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1GB)[/url] $115
Hard Drive
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D7281716%2526CatId%3D139"]Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB[/url] $70
Optical Drive
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D4829307%2526Sku%3DL12-1312%2520OEM"]Lite-On Internal DVD Writer[/url] $18
Case
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D6430030%2526csid%3D_61"]Cooler Master Elite 430 Mid Tower[/url] $40
Power Supply
[url="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=iFudSkud/Rc&subid=&offerid=234822.1&type=10&tmpid=3883&RD_PARM1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2FSearchTools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D1389575%2526Sku%3DT925-2060"]Thermaltake PurePower 430 Watt[/url] $30

the total with this as is is like $466. Take the extra cash spend it on 1) a little bit larger PSU (600 watts should be fine) 2) double up on the RAM (not required but you may as well because AMD's dont get the RAM bottle neck issues that Intels do) 3) upgrade the GPU to a 660 Ti and 4) get the other hard drive you want. Should work out to about 800-900 dollars if you shop around.

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I spent 2 months going into tigerdirect, newegg, cyberpower (not to buy prebuilt but to see if there was anything i liked to add to my wish list), pc gamer, and reading reviews constatly before I finally placed my order with newegg. I probably changed my shopping cart 3 times a week for those 2 months before I finally had what I wanted with in my price range.

Build a PC by the same rules a good craftsman builds ... Measure twice and cut once and do it right the first time ... I have learned this lesson over the years building import cars, PCs, carpentry, and really anything I do in life I follow this rule now. Edited by Konvict1982

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Couldn't have said it better!

Knowing what you want and sometimes waiting for a month or two to not only finish research, but maybe not compromising on certain aspects (larger budget).

I personally will tell someone who may ask me for a pc build if their budget is $1000 or less to go find a prebuilt like Ibuy power. Mainly due to compromises (effects me by the whining and complaining) and warranty. But over 1000 you can build a pretty good gaming/all around PC for cheaper or same price as a pre built.

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[quote name='Bromance' timestamp='1350590492' post='50382']
Couldn't have said it better!

Knowing what you want and sometimes waiting for a month or two to not only finish research, but maybe not compromising on certain aspects (larger budget).

I personally will tell someone who may ask me for a pc build if their budget is $1000 or less to go find a prebuilt like Ibuy power. Mainly due to compromises (effects me by the whining and complaining) and warranty. But over 1000 you can build a pretty good gaming/all around PC for cheaper or same price as a pre built.
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Yeah only thing I would currently like to upgrade is my 560Ti to a 670 but i think I am just going to skip the 600 series since the 560 plays everything currently on the market and upgrade when the 700 series or whatever will be next comes out probably in 2013.

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You probably don't want an AMD card, This is what someone who built computers sent me a while ago, and I myself think it's a fantastic guide-line to go buy when buying a computer.

What's wrong with your build:[list=1]
[*]You won't need 1.5 tb

[*]AMD FX series is awful, 2 cores of an Intel outperforms 6 cores on an AMD
[/list]
What's good about your build
1. Almost nothing.

So this is the build i made with the advice the tech guy gave me, you can take out the sd to fit the budget.
[url="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fXmQ"]http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fXmQ[/url]
You could also possibly change the HDD to something bigger if the need arises.

Good luck on building your computer!


[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]I like [color=#366388]Intel processors[/color] because they last longer and they have multi-threadding technology that allows one core act like two.[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]Motherboard – should use a more current chipset, which with Intel is a socket 2011. About $120 more, but RAM and video cards can be upgraded a lot.[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]Processor – i7-3820 is the cheapest socket 2011, about $100 more, but a lot of future expansion. This can be upgraded later.[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]RAM – stay away from Corsair. [/color][/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#1F497D][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]-company- got a bunch of their USB sticks with viruses on them. Price difference between 8 and 16 GB is about $40. This can be upgraded A LOT, up to 32GB of DDR3-1600.[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]Main Hard drive, SSD for speed and 120 GB to make sure Windows and programs have enough room to grow. Intel is supposed to have the fastest, but there are other options up to $70 cheaper.[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]Second Hard drive, 10,000 RPM.[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]Video card – Since the motherboard can do PCIe 3.0, I’d get a 3.0 card, but you could shave about $70 with a GTX 550 ti, and upgrade later. This board can run 3 PCIe 3.0 cards at once.[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]Power supply… Video cards are demanding. I’d stick with 1000+ Watts. Also, Semi-Modular only uses power cables that are needed[/color][/background][/size][/font][/color] Edited by TheOneWhoDies

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I've heard some negative things about the FX series from AMD which is why I haven't upgraded. My Phenom II 1100t hex core has not let me down. In fact I'm impressed with its performance. For me hyperthreading is more of a marketing scheme than anything. Because of each cores ability to run more than run thread its performance suffers just a little. I'd love to have an intel system but seeing how there can be a couple of hundred to a thousand dollar difference in price.

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I love my FX 8150...soon to be getting an 83XX series Vishera. It can clock to damn near anything you want it to short of like 5.8Ghz unless your cool and you refrigerate your liquid coolant if that's how you roll. If you run 6 or 8 core FX series proc...just turn off the extra V-cores derp.

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[quote name='TheOneWhoDies' timestamp='1353133838' post='54425']
What's wrong with your build:[list=1]
[*]You won't need 1.5 tb

[*]AMD FX series is awful, 2 cores of an Intel outperforms 6 cores on an AMD
[/list]
[color=#454545][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][color=#1F497D]RAM – stay away from Corsair. [/color][/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#1F497D][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]-company- got a bunch of their USB sticks with viruses on them.[/background][/size][/font][/color]

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Idk where you get your crack but I seriously want some...no no no...a lot of it. 1) The FX series processors are the fastest consumer silicon processing chips you can get for the money at the moment. Additionally if we wanna start talking about how well and how fast one handles hyperthreading operations over the other...well I'll just go ahead and say I win right away because no one is going to argue that with a shred of seriousness.

You purchased RAM with a virus on it? Really? I find this interesting because of the fact that when RAM loses power, it loses data...fast. Once removed from a power supply RAM dumps all of the data that is on it in about 1 minute or so. Sorry to tell you, something else was infected on your computer, you put the RAM in, virus jumped from your computer to your RAM (because we all know that's how virus' work) and then you shut your computer down, the virus then copied itself quickly onto a portion of your hard drive or somewhere else (again because that is how a computer virus works...and computers in general.) The invalidity of your statement is obvious because the moderate computer user should know (be it a MAC or a PC) that all executed programs are influenced by RAM and RAM is influenced by all computing operations...it's like a sexy nerdy dance with the devil. This is why dual and triple channel RAM set ups "feel" "faster" than single channel RAM banks.

Whoever your tech guy is, he's a fucking idiot. I suggest going to geek squad, they will give you better advice and words of wisdom than whoever he is has.

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[quote name='Hoole' timestamp='1353182488' post='54478']it's like a sexy nerdy dance with the devil...

Whoever your tech guy is, he's a fucking idiot. I suggest going to geek squad, they will give you better advice and words of wisdom than whoever he is has.
[/quote]

Nicely Said!

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[quote name='Hoole' timestamp='1353182488' post='54478']
Idk where you get your crack but I seriously want some...no no no...a lot of it. 1) The FX series processors are the fastest consumer silicon processing chips you can get for the money at the moment. Additionally if we wanna start talking about how well and how fast one handles hyperthreading operations over the other...well I'll just go ahead and say I win right away because no one is going to argue that with a shred of seriousness.

You purchased RAM with a virus on it? Really? I find this interesting because of the fact that when RAM loses power, it loses data...fast. Once removed from a power supply RAM dumps all of the data that is on it in about 1 minute or so. Sorry to tell you, something else was infected on your computer, you put the RAM in, virus jumped from your computer to your RAM (because we all know that's how virus' work) and then you shut your computer down, the virus then copied itself quickly onto a portion of your hard drive or somewhere else (again because that is how a computer virus works...and computers in general.) The invalidity of your statement is obvious because the moderate computer user should know (be it a MAC or a PC) that all executed programs are influenced by RAM and RAM is influenced by all computing operations...it's like a sexy nerdy dance with the devil. This is why dual and triple channel RAM set ups "feel" "faster" than single channel RAM banks.

Whoever your tech guy is, he's a fucking idiot. I suggest going to geek squad, they will give you better advice and words of wisdom than whoever he is has.
[/quote]

See where it says usb sticks... Enough said.

And lookie here, we have another AMD fanboy,
Intel has better performance, that's not even arguable... [img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/corei7860_091709181820/20083.png[/img]

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Used to be a big AMD guy.

That has changed, heavily. Intel is very far ahead of the curve right now. I'm not saying a FX chip will bottleneck any of the latest GPU's, but I will say that ivy bridge is where you want to be.

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-_- you make me sad. Why are we posting benchmarks that don't even have the newest hardware in it?

[img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/U/357618/original/battlefield%203%201680.png[/img]
you were going to tell me how overpriced Intel stuff is? No you say? Here is more....

[img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/Z/4/357664/original/battlefield%203%202560.png[/img]

Wait wait wait wait...is that a Vishera out performing the much hailed Ivy Bridge awesomeness? I think I may have more...

[img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/Y/S/357652/original/skyrim%202560.png[/img]

point is, with AMD you get more bang for your buck considering that the new 8350 is only like 220 bucks, with the 100 you save you can get a bad ass cooler and get to overclocking and blow poor ivy out of the water.

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oh and I'm not a fanboy for AMD I'm a fanboy for going the route of common sense. If I was a fanboy I would definately have an fx990 UD7, 8350, and a 7000+ series GPU. Juuuuuuust sayin

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[quote name='RoccoMac' timestamp='1350471597' post='50128']
750w PSU with that system is pretty overkill.. could probably cut that down to a 550w or even a bit less and be more than ok and save a fair chunk of change. I run a system very similar to that one on a 430w corsair psu with room to spare.
[/quote] It's better to spend the $ for the better PSU now .. If he's gonna want to upgrade this thing with parts that take more power In the future... I think

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