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LOL.

 

 

The belief that Bernie Sanders is anything more than an internet fad.

 

 

I do not believe in Bernie Stalin. Thanks. 

Hey now... I doubt he's gonna win the primary, but to just call him an internet fad? I mean, last time i checked he was second place up in the democratic party nominations and won the last state primary. Obviously he has a large amount of support from people who agree with his policies, and share his anger towards a corrupt and twisted political system. Would you perhaps mind sharing why you oppose Sanders, oh so great one?

 

 

And also, Bernie Stalin? Did you get that quote from Mr. Trump himself...

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Hey now... I doubt he's gonna win the primary, but to just call him an internet fad? I mean, last time i checked he was second place up in the democratic party nominations and won the last state primary. Obviously he has a large amount of support from people who agree with his policies, and share his anger towards a corrupt and twisted political system. Would you perhaps mind sharing why you oppose Sanders, oh so great one?

 

 

And also, Bernie Stalin? Did you get that quote from Mr. Trump himself...

 

 

 

Donald Hitler doesn't formulate my opinion. 

 

But you are correct. He's in second place in a two person race for the democratic ticket. 

 

And I agree with his anger at a twisted and corrupt political system. Tripling the governmental control doesn't fix the problem. It takes one bad leader to go from a visionary like Lenin to bloody tyrant like Stalin. I'm a Ron Paul supporter. Until I see candidates who are like Ron Paul. I'll not vote anyone else. And no. His son doesn't count. I like Rand. But he is entirely too conservative for my tastes. I want a perfect mix of both sides into the perfect libertarian. I do not believe at all that using federal social policies will fix what's wrong with this country. The rich should be taxed fairly. But not be taxed for being rich. That's stupid. And I don't think socialism will fix America because America was built on the back of capitalism. So trying to fix broken plumbing with a hammer isn't going to work out too well for you. You can't fix corruption with socialism. Socialism will actually make it easier for corruption to happen. 

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You keep comparing Bernie and socialism to communism, like he's some kind of a revolutionary fighter that's going to change the world forever. His image is set up as as a socialist but he is not nearly as radical as people make him out to be. If you placed him in the Swedish or Danish parliament he'd be a left leaning moderate at the most... He wants to implement socialised healthcare to a country that, in all honesty, seems to have alot of "socialist" programs in play. And he isn't aiming for a socialist economy. He is against the corporate monopoly and big banks, he's not anti capitalist as far as i am aware.

 

I really respect the idea of a completely libertarian society, where the governments role is small and the people have the liberty to pretty much do as they please. But as America stands right now, and the rest of the modern world, there's no way a system like that would work. The government would have less economical power, yes, but the companies and the people who have a monopoly on 90% of the countries income would still exist...

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You keep comparing Bernie and socialism to communism, like he's some kind of a revolutionary fighter that's going to change the world forever. His image is set up as as a socialist but he is not nearly as radical as people make him out to be. If you placed him in the Swedish or Danish parliament he'd be a left leaning moderate at the most... He wants to implement socialised healthcare to a country that, in all honesty, seems to have alot of "socialist" programs in play. And he isn't aiming for a socialist economy. He is against the corporate monopoly and big banks, he's not anti capitalist as far as i am aware.

 

I really respect the idea of a completely libertarian society, where the governments role is small and the people have the liberty to pretty much do as they please. But as America stands right now, and the rest of the modern world, there's no way a system like that would work. The government would have less economical power, yes, but the companies and the people who have a monopoly on 90% of the countries income would still exist...

Lol. It's always amusing when foreigners. Especially EU foreigners. Who try to point out things like i'm perfectly ok with them. Said socialist programs are really not a testament on how progressive we are. It's a system of control. Why can you justify socialist policies and the taxes you'll have to levy to pay for all this social program upkeep? By golly because poors don't need to actually buy food. We have a food program. And poors don't need to ever pay for school or shoot for the stars because we have a school program. And why the hell should people even work. You realize that socialist tax plans. Let's say 20% your income. That's pretty close to what the canadians pay in taxes to cover their shitty socialist healthcare system. 20% of my pay bi weekly gone in taxes. I couldn't put food on the table anymore and still pay all our bills. But hey. At least some other folk got some shit healthcare. 

 

This country is a country of consumers. You cannot magically swing your socialist wand and wipe it away because countries the size of some of our smaller states with the same population can do it. I have about as much faith of Bernie not being a communist as I do Trump not being a Fascist. Either or is an entire extreme on one side of the spectrum or the other for my tastes. So I'm quite happy that kids are getting involved in politics. It's a shame how they forget to actually apply themselves into their life and actually make a good decision with their life and how it's going to pan out. Instead they whole heartedly jump on the bandwagon of vote for socialist. Get free shit. 

 

 

Idiots of the internet aren't smarter because of google and their cries on facebook won't change the fact that the establishment won't let Bernie Sanders have the ticket. Just like the last two elections they won't let Ron Paul have the Republican ticket. Two party system in this country really really fucks over everyone who doesn't have the capability of writing a check and buying themselves a senator or six. 

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To be honest i really think this president election is just a complete joke and its being turned into a circus act. I mean if it were my choice i would vote for someone who isnt just a straight comedy act most likely someone who is a runner up over the top two jokes of now. But i do think Trump with being a business man and with his ability to just get out of debt wouldn't be to bad on that factor haha. But overall im not voting cause i dont see any of the top candidates to fit with my class of american

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If you're under the impression Clinton is in any way better than trump. You're part of what is wrong with this country

I'm not. There likely the same. Horrible.

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Ok so options at this point in my eyes is this

 

Dems : Bernie (Free this Free that) or Hillary(Liar Liar)

Reps: Cruz (Too conservative for his own good) or Thump(Speaks before he thinks) or Kasich(Not enough support)

 

So don't see the Dems win this time around.......but the alternatives really are that much better 

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Do not like either of them. I hope Bernie runs independent if he does not claim the nomination for one reason or the other. If for some reason he does not, I ill vote for Trump. Here me out on this:

Bernie- I'm a millennial,  The price of education for college from everything from book to the base price of tuition has risen, even dramatically from when my sister went to college 6 years ago. I do not want a free pass, but not go into a life filled of debt on what seems like empty promises at this point. At least make it towards someone on minimum wage trying to better themselves be able to afford it. The centralized healthcare would just be cheaper overall on the tax payer, and even the republicans are starting to come to the idea to free up more of the budget to the lobbyist that they are in bed with (on both sides, not saying the democrats do not have lobbyist as they obviously do). He also just has consistency from the beginning of his political career and during his presidential campaign. I like stability and I am tired of having someone like our current president turn his back on those he promised transparency with, and the goes and classifies more than ever. Although he may be to radical, he is just someone who I believe is here for the people and not someone in the background sending wads of cash his way.

Hillary- One can say that you need to have an open mind to change to be president, but if you decide to change your stance on something multiple times during a debate, I think that stroke got to you or you have some other mental health issues (ie being a pathological liar). Ones who act like her tend to be the ones that become unfavorable and are in the pockets of major outside forces, and winning the presidency will make for a good payout for her. This makes someone say anything and everything to win. No LGBT right, to "Hey lets all become lesbians". I do not want the commander and chief to have the stability of North Korea (I know that is a overboard of a comparison)

Trump- This would only be the resort against Hillary. Yes he has some  confirmed issues, but he does not tend to run away from them. He support raising the minimum wage to a modern standard, and healthcare reform. He does need to be more specific on his plans, and needs to get rid of some of the all together (that wall for one of many examples). But he is like Bernie, a good bit of what he has will not get passed as congress does not like him in the slightest bit.

The thing that Americans need to focus on is the election they fail to see time and time again. The Executive branch is important, yes, bit not the , most important. The ones who have the majority of say as to what happens to you and I is congress. The gridlocked highway of government bureaucracy that sucks on the tit of the guys on wall-street with the patience of a six-month-old. Both side of the legislative branch need to get there head out of their asses and learn to compromise and the term "sharing is caring" which apparently their mother's forgot to instill on them during childhood while she was breastfeeding them until the age of ten. They all suck with very few exceptions. 

The main thing is to not be focused on just this one election, as they use it to distract you from the main course. The more voters that turn out, the more middle of the road our congress will become and more functional it will become as well with more diversity and people willing to compromise more with one another. Being polarized has gotten us to this point in our electoral process, and this puts the stability of our great country at risk. 

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You keep comparing Bernie and socialism to communism, like he's some kind of a revolutionary fighter that's going to change the world forever. His image is set up as as a socialist but he is not nearly as radical as people make him out to be. If you placed him in the Swedish or Danish parliament he'd be a left leaning moderate at the most... He wants to implement socialised healthcare to a country that, in all honesty, seems to have alot of "socialist" programs in play. And he isn't aiming for a socialist economy. He is against the corporate monopoly and big banks, he's not anti capitalist as far as i am aware.

 

I really respect the idea of a completely libertarian society, where the governments role is small and the people have the liberty to pretty much do as they please. But as America stands right now, and the rest of the modern world, there's no way a system like that would work. The government would have less economical power, yes, but the companies and the people who have a monopoly on 90% of the countries income would still exist...

Lol. It's always amusing when foreigners. Especially EU foreigners. Who try to point out things like i'm perfectly ok with them. Said socialist programs are really not a testament on how progressive we are. It's a system of control. Why can you justify socialist policies and the taxes you'll have to levy to pay for all this social program upkeep? By golly because poors don't need to actually buy food. We have a food program. And poors don't need to ever pay for school or shoot for the stars because we have a school program. And why the hell should people even work. You realize that socialist tax plans. Let's say 20% your income. That's pretty close to what the canadians pay in taxes to cover their shitty socialist healthcare system. 20% of my pay bi weekly gone in taxes. I couldn't put food on the table anymore and still pay all our bills. But hey. At least some other folk got some shit healthcare. 

 

This country is a country of consumers. You cannot magically swing your socialist wand and wipe it away because countries the size of some of our smaller states with the same population can do it. I have about as much faith of Bernie not being a communist as I do Trump not being a Fascist. Either or is an entire extreme on one side of the spectrum or the other for my tastes. So I'm quite happy that kids are getting involved in politics. It's a shame how they forget to actually apply themselves into their life and actually make a good decision with their life and how it's going to pan out. Instead they whole heartedly jump on the bandwagon of vote for socialist. Get free shit. 

 

 

Idiots of the internet aren't smarter because of google and their cries on facebook won't change the fact that the establishment won't let Bernie Sanders have the ticket. Just like the last two elections they won't let Ron Paul have the Republican ticket. Two party system in this country really really fucks over everyone who doesn't have the capability of writing a check and buying themselves a senator or six. 

Well said, and agreed, all this "free" stuff has to come from somewhere.

Everyone who says all the other countries that have free health care etc. Have higher taxes, hell the EU has a vat. Which is 20% you buy something from the store, you pay 20% more. A ps4 for 400 you pay 80 dollars on top of the slightly higher sales tax.

The US already has so many systems in place to help people. They just are too lazy to do the work like signing up for it etc.

The military also pays for college but God forbid they do something in return.

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Also, here's the problem with all 3:

Bernie thinks his changes will work, and they won't. Simple economics etc, higher wages means higher prices, free shit means higher taxes etc, then we'll be back where we were. Only with a dollar less valuable.

Clinton is a hypocritical criminal,

And Trump well. Trump. Nuff said lol. Seriously he sound a great game but the ego is not going to work for president. How will he divide his time between his companies and President. As a share holder he must work for them. As a president he must work for us. And the two can conflict with each other.

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1 hour ago, Field_Sweeper said:

Bernie thinks his changes will work, and they won't. Simple economics etc, higher wages means higher prices, free shit means higher taxes etc, then we'll be back where we were. Only with a dollar less valuable.

The issue with this statements the idea that while inflation has been happening, the min wage has not been increased. We are making less and less each year,and those who are in school or have children usually have to take up 2-3 jobs in order to make end meat. The businesses threaten to raise prices on the products when the profit margins on many of the products including all overhead, they can clearly afford the wage increase and still have substantial profits. This defiantly applies to Wal-Mart who has the most employees per ratio and overall on welfare nation wide. 

On the tax issues at hand, they have to be done right. Currently the U.S. needs to close up the loopholes that larger corporations and many individuals use to circumvent the regulations in place. Also, there needs to be an overhaul on what we spend money on. Not to use money for individual benefits and to fund healthcare, regulatory agencies that secure the quality of life for citizens and services for our vets (The current state of the VA is a joke). 

Another example that has been shown is that trickle-down economics has failed on a nation-wide scale. The larger corporation did not pass down the benefits to their employees, they just started paying them less and ripping apart the unions they had as their only security in being able to have a hand in the fight for a better life. 

Also, if I were you, I would read deeply into each plan for each candidate. It is something as simple as just raising wages, and to discredit someone because they are "Trump" is not a good approach to have towards it. Each of them has some benefits and strong points, but to discredit one completely without because of their prior business obligations is not entirely accurate as many presidents has own companies and have done great with both in each hand.

I do agree with the Hilary thing thought. She proves herself on multiple occasions to turn her back on anyone and to do anything to grab what she can. 

 

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Trump and Sanders were probably the best thing for this country right now, it shows that an emotionally charged leader that isn't afraid to speak their mind has a legitimate chance of winning a primary and the presidential election itself. That people are sick of the status quo, and are looking for something new and fresh to replace what has existed for a long time.  Even if at this point Sanders has no  chance of winning the primaries he still garnered more support then anyone would of probably thought possible.  Trump on the other hand, completely surprised me.  I had no expectation of him winning  his party, none.

In the battle of Trump vs Hilary, I believe neither of them are good candidates for a seat of power.  Trump is not a very... diplomatic individual and I'd be inclined to believe that he is a misogynist.  Clinton on the other hand is a boring candidate, even as she speaks to the media you can hear the hesitation in her voice  as if everything that comes out of her mouth has to be the rosiest of ideals that  represent a party and not herself.  In fact the last 8 years in particular has felt like our own president was walking on glass every time he spoke a word.

As for socialism vs capitalism it is actually important to have a healthy balance of the two.  A country that dedicates 100% to capitalism or socialism is doomed to failure.  Its just years of  demonizing communism, and by the same coin socialism has been so deeply engraved into our society that the mere notion of it scares people.  100% socialism ends up resulting in greed and discontent of the people without having the ability to improve their own existence, while 100% capitalism also ends up in greed of private industry resulting in similar results just with a different name.  No one person can have too much power over the lives of people, I mean that's why we have a tiered governmental system. Systems of checks and balances~ it is also the governments job to take care of its people.  Many countries that are skewed more towards socialist principles while maintaining the core of capitalism tend to be places where people are generally living happier and more fulfilled lives.  Its a complicated discussion, and one no one would write a paragraph about and get out with mentioning every little detail.  Sorry if I mixed alot of ideas in there~

That said it would be expensive to fix the situation we're in~ And greed is a very powerful thing.

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well we all have are own thoughts and i always respect peoples vote, of course.  But i'm a huge trump supporter and met the man once in real life and i always love his style and love what he wants to do with the country. you may think i'm silly or crazy or what not. that's how i think. just like Hillary voters think they she we be good. me i think shes a lair that does not deserve to be president, not because of her gender, but its just how shady past.

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It looked like trump might have had the lead in popularity going in for the presidential nomination, but after all this controversity regarding his reaction to the Orlando shooting i think he may have fucked it... I mean a few months ago i would have preferred trump over hillary but ever since he reached the delegate count for the republican party, well, it's like he's gotten dumber. The only attraction i had to a trump government was the fact that he was making the republican establishment shit themselves. He appeared to be a pretty decent counterpart to Bernie. Someone who actually wants change, someone who is looking to shake up the establishment and the political system in the US and isn't sucking dick left and right to try and appease corporate donors...

 

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